7 September 2003
Submitted by eve on Mon, 09/08/2003 - 10:47am. Tragic
"Well maybe then he'd have to choose between us."
"Ok, you're talking about bringing life forms into the world just to make your man settle down?"
"A baby is a life, not a life form."
"I wouldn't make some poor amoeba part of this plan, and that amoeba wouldn't even have to have that jerk as a father."
--Two women talking in the bathroom at Straits Cafe
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Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/17/2003 - 9:06am.
Archived comment by Apple:
Especially not in the same post.

*grin*
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/17/2003 - 9:00am.
Archived comment by Saint:
I thought I was being rather restrained, with the opening I was given. (Though in this crowd, perhaps it would be better not to speak of "restrained" or "openings". *g*)
Posted by Anne Onymous on Tue, 09/16/2003 - 6:07am.
Archived comment by Kat:
Because in the end Apple, you just want to be innocent and naive. Of course we all know better about you already but damn, you WANT it. *L*

I personally thought Saint was rather witty on that. Kudos Saint! *LOL*
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 4:53pm.
Archived comment by Apple:
:^O

Why does it always surprise me when threads take this turn??
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 4:18pm.
Archived comment by hypoxic:
ohmygod Saint!

I really didn't need that visual! I know need to bleach my eyes thank you very much!
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 3:22pm.
Archived comment by Saint:
At least he's not *grinning* at the thought of packing Apple's box...cause Mr Man might not appreciate that....
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 3:17pm.
Archived comment by ParU:
I'm *grining* cause I'm thinking of Apple packing. You know packing Apples in a box...

Ba da bing...

Hope Chi-town's good to ya Apple!
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 2:52pm.
Archived comment by Intelligirly:
And I'm feeling mischievous--which makes me grin!

Think of Al Franken, Cebu. See? You're grinning, aren't you?
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 2:25pm.
Archived comment by Apple:
But, I'm happy!
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 1:44pm.
Archived comment by Cebu:
Oh my GOD stop with the *grin*'s! Too... many ... in a ... row.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 1:32pm.
Archived comment by Apple:
Nope, just overdoing it with the packing.

*grin*
Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 1:25pm.
Archived comment by Intelligirly:
Whatsa mattah, Apple? Staying up too late? You should stop that.

*grin*

Posted by Anne Onymous on Mon, 09/15/2003 - 12:52pm.
Archived comment by Apple:
I'd pout if I had the energy to cross my arms and stick out my lip.

*grin*
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 5:55pm.
Archived comment by Kris the Girl:
Was that for for ya?
*grin*
Like I have any room for making fun.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 3:25pm.
Archived comment by dave:
weeeeeeee, new page.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 1:13pm.
Archived comment by penguinchick:
100!

Congrats Joe!
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 12:54pm.
Archived comment by Joe Napalm:
No no...definitely no.

My sister, Maevis, not my brother.

And it is true that I'll probably be considered a stabilizing influence over the rest of the Napalm Clan. *Grin*

-Jn-
Efreeti Sophist
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 12:27pm.
Archived comment by Intelligirly:
Mycroft had a baby? :O

Who knew?
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 10:47am.
Archived comment by ParU:
Well that's Uncle Joe, he's a movin kinda slow...

1 Loonie pt (and Apple's not eligible!)
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 9:47am.
Archived comment by Saint:
Somehow I doubt Joe is any worse of an influence than the rest of the Napalms. Besides, won't it be nice for the little tyke to be able to defend itself with extreme prejudice?
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 9:39am.
Archived comment by Kat:
Not so much weird as kinda scary. Hope they will reduce the exposure you will have to the little giffer.

As the world trembles in fear....


*G*
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 6:06am.
Archived comment by Kris the Girl:
Yay Joe!! Congrats on the newest little Napalm.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Sun, 09/14/2003 - 12:11am.
Archived comment by Joe Napalm:
Hey...I'm an uncle!

Weird, huh?

-Jn-
Efreeti Sophist & Rock-Throwing Hermit
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 9:12pm.
Archived comment by Matt:
Okay, so Denise's link was the most helpful thing so far, but basically, it looks as though the Anathema Device helps bring about Armageddon, the Apocalypse, or whatever you want to call the end of the world.

Which pretty well fits in with her character.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 8:03pm.
Archived comment by Kris the Girl:
Here I am, completely off-topic...

I know a lot of readers here are based in the Berkeley area, but if any of you New Yorkers like a good...well, mystery in which you can be involved, why don't you help out Sars with Operation Find Don?

This is my little bit of helping, since this is about the only public forum I frequent. Besides, you know, the site I just linked to. Anyway.
That is all.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 6:09pm.
Archived comment by K.W.:
The below post was mine. (smacks head against DBHRHD for being such a scatterbrain)
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 6:09pm.
Archived comment by Passerby:
"Anathema" can mean "abomination" or "abhorrence", as mentioned by my thesaurus. My DBHRHD (Dad's Bigass Hardcover Really Heavy Dictionary) also describes it as:

a-nath-e-ma: n, pl -mas. 1) A formal ecclesiastical curse involved excommunication. - v.i. 2) Any imprecation of divine punishment. 3) A curse, excration: \"His misbehavior brought upon him his father's anathema upon him."/ 4) A person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction. 5) A person or thing detested or loathed.

(shudders) Pretty heavy word, isn't it? (closes DBHRHD and tucks it under desk again)
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 1:36pm.
Archived comment by Denise:
Hi guys... I've missed you all...

thought I'd come back for a visit..and the requisite venting. heh.

Matt.... namelink?
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 11:58am.
Archived comment by Matt:
Okay, first off, I apologize for this being completely off-topic, and me without even a segue to defend myself, but I have a problem only the IP people can solve.

I've been reading Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett which features a character named Anathema Device. Now somewhere, hidden deep in some cavern in the back of my brain, is the knowlege of what exactly an anathema device is. But I can't find it. And I've tried every conceivable search engine on the 'net trying to find the answer, but most of the links are either for a NYC goth/punk band, or related to the aforementioned book.

Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 11:55am.
Archived comment by ParU:
And yet another big hug to Denise.

Sorry not to have defended you earlier this week. Just send me those people's email addresses and I'll make sure they know that they are not to be mean to my boss!
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 10:52am.
Archived comment by tim:
Denise...welcome back.
: )
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 10:50am.
Archived comment by Passerby:
big hug to Denise
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 9:49am.
Archived comment by Denise:
Hrm.

I think that most marriages that end are deemed as a marriage that "never should have happened" - of course, when children are involved you are then stuck with the dichotomy that if you say the marriage never should have happened that the children never should have been born... which chills every parent to the bone.

I also think that people SAY a hell of a lot of stuff that they never actually do. Out of desperation. Out of stupidity. Out of frustration.
I've said I'd gladly kill several people in my life. I never will. But I said it. LOUDLY.
I've said I'd like to jump off a bridge. I never will--- but MAN, at the time, I sure felt like it.

I'm just saying that sometimes it might not hurt to remember that sometimes people say stupid shit because they are hurting and not thinking properly and hearing it out of context without knowing if this woman is truly a flaming twit or not...leaves us unable to truly judge.

Why am I defending her? I have no idea.
Because it's Friday and I've had a terrible week and I wish someone had defended me this week.

Bleh.

Oh. And my other HUGE pet peeve right now? People who have been married to their second spouses for 10-20 years and are NOW getting their first marriages annulled. Guess it's easy-peasy to do, now. How ridiculous. I'm a fallen Catholic, myself, but what a message to send your kids?! We are going to obliterate the fact that we were ever married in the eyes of the church -- and yes, therefor you are all bastards. Aren't you glad we forced you into Catechism and to make your First Commmunion, Confession,etc.?
Posted by Anne Onymous on Fri, 09/12/2003 - 1:41am.
Archived comment by DoughPoet:
There is of course the bit where you can have two loving parents who try their best but really don't seem to be enjoying being married and might have been better off separated sooner rather than later. Maybe the reason I have so much sleep disturbance is from hearing their fights through the ceiling from the time I can remember anything.

I love my parents very much, but as we all now try to deal with the post-divorce relationships I have occasionally wonder if we might have been better off if they hadn't waited so long. Kudos to them for keeping it together.......and lack of knowledge as well as many other things means I am not going to theorise, but your parents divorce is no easier to deal with as an adult (imho) - especially 6 weeks after your own wedding.

Lack of thinking through seems to be a very common problem......take that situation to the limits of your imagination in all combinations and then see how you feel about it.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Thu, 09/11/2003 - 3:46pm.
Archived comment by marinerd:
What happened was, in addition to some beautiful music, an unhappy man who made everyone around him unhappy and ruined some other peoples' lives. But of course, posterity only remembers the music.

Now's the point where I wax philosophical, but my waxer is out of order this afternoon. *g*
Posted by Anne Onymous on Thu, 09/11/2003 - 3:38pm.
Archived comment by dave:
Its this sort of thing that makes me think "people should need a license to reproduce," but then I look at some of the people on the roads that are licensed and figure that it wouldn't really help.

And then there's the 'you kill beethoven' thing that went around the net a year or so ago. In a lot of people's minds, his mother had no business continuing to try and have kids and look what happened.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Thu, 09/11/2003 - 1:27pm.
Archived comment by Catri:
Kudos to the second woman for speaking up. I've seen people make stupid decisions and watched in amazement as everyone close to them bent over backward to be supportive. It's not easy to tell a friend she's an idiot.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Thu, 09/11/2003 - 11:25am.
Archived comment by Monk:
*sniff*......My name is Monk and I was an accident.

It all started with a choice between a downpayment on a new mobile home or a baby. And now every year on my birthday my parents remind me of the equity they lost.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Thu, 09/11/2003 - 7:29am.
Archived comment by Social Neanderthal:
The thing about raising children, and birth control for that matter, is that it isn't quite an exact science.

A phrase my wife likes to throw around is that we need to remember we are raising our grandchildren. [not literally, at least not yet] Keeping this in mind, it could go a long way toward explaining this young ladies comments, because it seems to me her parents didn't do as good a job as they could have raising their grandchildren. It would also go a long way toward explaining why some single parents do a great job and some 2 parent families are quite awful.

Children need role models, they like to learn by observation and role play. If they have good mother and father models to observe, the child is likely to be more successful than if the observations were limited to one side or the other. I would expect most single parents to also have other role models to expose their children too, such as grandparents, uncles, aunts, and so on.

This is not an absolute by any stretch, it just seems to me it would be a necessary part of the formula.

And yes, tying someones tubes is rather drastic. Putting someone in jail for 50 years is drastic too, but the penalty is indeed appropriate for many crimes. Using unwanted children as tools in a relationship is, in my opinion, a rather serious crime. Granted, she was only THINKING about it and quite possibly not in her right mind for whatever reason, so we can't penalize her for 'bad thoughts'.

But what the hell, let's do it anyway. After all, we are obviously highly qualified to make such decisions, and we should encourage one another to act in the best interest of IP at all times.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Thu, 09/11/2003 - 5:38am.
Archived comment by DancingTofu:
Puppies. Puppies are much better than babies.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Thu, 09/11/2003 - 12:20am.
Archived comment by Talon:
All problems would be solved if women (and, not to be sexist, men as well) like the one in the post should be taken behind a large shed and shot. Repeatedly.

The world can do without a few retards. Say about 6 billion of them.

-Talon.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 4:24pm.
Archived comment by Saint:
Ahem. Remove a "t" from the preceding post. Take any one you like, but I recommend the one that snuck in at the end of "through".
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 4:23pm.
Archived comment by Saint:
Nothing pertaining to the current discussion, but something I wanted to rant about nonetheless: I'm pretty sure I mentioned, back when it happened, that this guy in my hometown raped an 8-month-old baby girl. Well, he finally got throught the courts, and was sentenced, as per his plea agreement, to 8 years. What is that, a year for every month of his victim's life? That kid is going to have physical (and quite probably psychological) problems her entire life thanks to him, and he gets 8 lousy years? People caught with a joint in Utah serve more time. Feh. Sometimes the world just sucks.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 4:07pm.
Archived comment by Apple:
I was an accident. But, to be fair, so were about five of my other siblings. Apparently, my parents are immune to all available protection. They even went so far as having my mother's tubes tied. Then, after my last brother was born, (that's right, after the tube tying) they just gave her a hysterectomy. Solved the problem. Finally.

I'm not complaining. I had a very good childhood. I very much love my very large family. My parents were, and still are, awesome people.

People like the woman in the quote should just be farmed out to women who can't have children but want to adopt a baby. *grin*
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 1:44pm.
Archived comment by daen:
I think part of the problem arises in that physical maturity now tends to develop earlier, and emotional maturity/responsibility tends to develops later, than it once did.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 1:26pm.
Archived comment by Paul:
Unfortunately, what tim describes is all too common. And if you have some guy who's been trapped into fatherhood by some twit like the one in the quote, it's all that much more likely to happen- his resentment may build until it explodes. Or the mother may realize just how badly she screwed up and take it out on the baby.

While I wasn't really serious about tying her tubes, nevertheless a lot of horrible things could be avoided if people like her couldn't reproduce at will.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 1:03pm.
Archived comment by Kris the Girl:
Monk's favorite post.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 1:03pm.
Archived comment by Kris the Girl:
Ugh, Tim, that is really, really awful.
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 11:54am.
Archived comment by Just Curious:
I was also an accident. My mother was 40. She went in for a checkup, thinking she was pregnant. Doctor told her that her problems were probably a tumor. Nice news to just throw at someone. Nine months later, my mother was in the hospital giving birth to me. Her old doctor (she immediately got another one) walks by and said, "Peggy, what are you doing here?" My mother responded with, "Oh, nothing much. My tumor just started kicking". Love my mom......
Posted by Anne Onymous on Wed, 09/10/2003 - 11:46am.
Archived comment by tim:
A bigger problem is kids having kids.
for whatever reason...I just heard of a case up here where a 21 year old man was suppose to be babysitting his 7 month old daughter.
He got upset about the baby crying and threw her in the crib, she hit her head on the headboard and was killed.
It's becoming an all too familiar story.
people who have no business being parents thinking that having a child makes them an adult.
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