I'll sign that petition... :)

Actually, Joe, no-one is being shunted to the PoliThread any longer, as its massive size is a bit of an impediment to the current system. So I'll shunt you to the thread where that was discussed... ;-)

'Sides, that chick at Delphi was glum because she was hopped up on toxic gasses.

So, paragraphs. It ate my paragraphs.

How am I supposed to express myself without white space?

-Jn-
City of Brass Expatriate

Not sure pyroguy - but I've taken to inserting the 'br' tags when I demand the white space.

I can't believe this recall thing is/was national news. I mean, so what? So the voting population recalled an elected official. It's happened before. Hell, this is the second actor California has elected governor in 50 years. Frankly, I'm glad Arnold's governor, if the recall had to pass. Now maybe he'll start to understand what a crap hole he's put himself in and what a hard goddamn job it really is.

He'll probably just end up being a puppet politican like Reagan (mostly) was anyway. Not much harm done, in that case.
I can't imagine the Kennedys are too happy about this whole thing.

There's no chance for Ahnold to become president (unlike Ronnie).

Senator Orin Hatch (R-Utah) is said to be introducing a Constitutional Amendment whereby anyone who has been a citizen of the US for 20 years can be president.

So even though it's unlikely in the extreme, it's still possible, if all the pieces fall into place.

Compared to the Christian fundies, big-business toadies, and career politicos who generally run, I don't think Schwarzenegger would be a horrible possibility for president. Let's see how he does as governor before assuming the world would end if he got elected. That said, I really don't think Hatch's amendment will pass. Do you seriously think 3/4 of Congress will think it's a good idea to widen the playing field (especially considering that several of them have presidential ambitions of their own)?

Didn't we recently discuss this foreigners-for-president thing? I personally wouldn't want anyone who admired Hitler for any reason to ever have a chance to be the president.

But I always liked his movies (stuff blowing up).

I must have missed the press-release professing his admiration for Hitler.

Well the 'Hitler' thing was a typical Davis 'dirty smear'. Supposedly he said that Hitler was an effective public speaker, but the person who supposedly heard it denies it and there's no proof. It is known that his father was a Nazi and I believe he spent a whole lot of money investigating him. Less important than his family history (IMHO) is what he DOES.

So he gave a whole bunch of money to the Simon Wisenthal Center in Austria (long before he was a politician) and he's a major supporter of the synagogue in Graz, Austria (the city near his village). Interviews with the Jewish community there show their 100% support for him.

So how many of the people critizing Arnold for this made up story have done ANYTHING to fight Anti-Semitism? He gave his time and money before he ever considered running for office. Name me one politican who's given time and/or money to a group that he wasn't going to take political credit for?

It was several years ago in an interview. Paraphrasing here, he said he admired him for starting from nothing and gaining such power. The disturbing part for me was when Arnold said he would love to have something like that, where masses of people were cheering and adoring him, no matter what he was saying. Creepy.

And that's not even touching on the groping issue.

I'm not one who expects politicians to be perfect--they are human. But I don't like them to be creepy or to sound so unbalanced.

I simply wondered, as I'd never heard anything of the sort. And frankly, if he really said that, I'm surprised his career didn't go in the toilet (worse than it already has in the last five years or so).

I heard on The Daily Show that Arnold groped Hitlers buttocks. Or something like that.

/ha

Well marinerd - I certainly understand your feelings on the groping issue. But the 'interview' with Arnold never happened (or that part was never published). Prove me wrong - reference the exact words.
On the 'groping' thing I wonder how much of that was publicity seeking? Not that it probably didn't happen, but it certainly was never brought up at the time. And the Director of 'Twins' refuted the allegations about the atmosphere on the set. All in all it was a typical Democrat 'dirty trick' (sorry, but that's the way I see it). Bring up sexual allegations at the last minute. The interesting thing here was that it was orchestrated by the LA Times. The bias of the press against Arnold and actually against all 'outsiders' of the political process is pretty amazing.

Democrats aren't the only ones who try to pull that crap, Unit.

If you only look at what Hitler accomplished economically for Germany, he looks admirable. But frankly, I can only do that in certain ultra-intellectual, emotionally detached moods. Then the rest of what he did crashes in on me & I want to travel back in time & shoot him (& Goering et al).

Oh, I don't know. I think being in a ditch, covered in gasoline and on fire on your honeymoon is a pretty fitting end.

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And ParU, be careful with your choice of words. In this particular instance, it may have been a Democratic "dirty trick," but that's just one instance. Republicans and any other politician who spends enough time in a position of power will do the same thing.

Oh you're right hypo. I was speaking of the 'Democrat' dirty trick cause Davis was famous for them. But in reality you are correct. It's a politician dirty trick, regardless of political party. Which makes you wonder why any sane person would want to subject themselves and their family to that sort of activity. Of course this particular 'dirty trick' was orchestrated by the largest news organization in California (the LA Times). So how come there's not more outrage at them?
I know that one of the most honorable people I know of, refused to run for Vice Pres. cause his wife didn't want to subject their family to it. So he's serving as Secty. of State instead. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

He was a Nazi ****head, after all.

(Hitler, not Eddie)

*grins*

Ya caught me, Hazel. I borrow indiscreetly and shamelessly from Eddie Izzard at every opportunity.

BTW, my mom got third-row tickets to his Sexie show in Portland, OR and he was wearing two sets of falsies. One set on his eyelashes, the other set on his chest. I won't go into the jokes, for those of you who have tickets to a future show.

Fluor's really gotten big, hasn't it? Bob Fluor (the president, I think)'s son and I were in Boy Scouts together. Interesting guy, Bob was. Dangerously tan year-round and drove a different exotic sports car every year. Had seven kids, five of them girls. Or was it five kids, three of them girls?

Anyway, Bob was kind of a jerk and his son Doug was downing 6-8 Ritalin a day for his hyperactivity. We didn't have ADD yet.

Well hypo - the reason the first recall was so 'easy' was that only 8 million people voted in the last Gubernatorial election. A lot more voted in this one. And the 'recall' standard is a percentage of the voters in the last election.

Note that Gray Davis kept saying that 8 million voters affirmed his right to office. And he lied. He got 3.5 million votes (the largest amount) but it was 8 million voters TOTAL in the election. Plus Cruz and he just totally pandered to anyone who'd give them money (hey can you say Indian Casinos and Oracle?).

The real recall will be when MeChA (or however they capitalize random letters) posts a referendum for California to become part of Mexico again. They've already got a Lieutenant Governor working for them, it's just a matter of time...

That was cold, but funny.

You know, I can't even find out who won the mayoral election for the town in which I reside, but I know who the governor of California. Isn't that sad...

can you say 'californication', arlene? i knew you could. *grin*

if only it were all so purple and witty, i wouldn't say that with such sarcastic glee, i really wouldn't.

I used to have to be at work by 5:30 AM. It was a nightmare. I finally figured out a way around it; I showed up at 9:00. Whew.

i think if you preview them...then decide you want to edit something...and then you just click post, it stays the same as before you changed it. bug? or feature?

Both. Or does it?

ED: It didn't do that for me.

Thanks for the thought Nik. Cause Benjy and Eve have worked hard on this place.

...there was a serious problem, and I've been at work all night...