Archived comment by Somnambulist:
I don't know why I'm bothering to post this late, but there is a good point to the movie "She's All That"- the group The Afghan Whigs had some songs (or A song ) featured.

Archived comment by JP:
Eve - much (and sorry, btw...) :)

Hmm, maybe I should form a disgruntled historians movement and seek an alliance with the disgruntled grammarians...

Archived comment by Matt:
Thanks, Site Goddess. Actually, I already knew what a Renaissance Faire is, even before I saw the "Jackass" episode featuring one. I just didn't know what Black Point was. I figured that, if it was a "faire" site, they'd put a pretentious e on the end of that name too.
I still enjoy a good stein of mead every now and again, though. Almost as much as a nicely aged (minimum 15 years) single-malt scotch. Mmmmm...

Archived comment by Eve:
Ok, JP, I stand corrected.
It's a place where people can participate in an _idealized_ version of historical life for a day.
Happier?
:-)

Archived comment by Arlene:
I love it. Someone who actually knows something about the subject matter of a movie & comments on how 'they' got it wrong. It's really great when you watch the video & can stop the movie to tear the scene apart.

Of course, you have to be careful, a friend kinda likes _Eraser_ but the aluminum bullets in the gun fired by magnetic something or other (to me, it's all technobabble) drove him absolutely bugnuts.
He just couldn't suspend disbelief that much. Then some of us were talking about his reaction when our favorite physics PhD commented "Actually you can fire aluminum slugs with magnets, if they are powerful enough," thereby totally ruining our friend's rant. I'm still laughing.

Archived comment by Mike:
Hmm: old clothing, strange speech, public carousing, living in conditions from a thousand years ago-- isn't that called "homelessness"?

I wish Sound and Fury was somewhere near here. Maybe I'd be able to trick my Shakespeare class into seeing "Testaclese and the Sack of Rome" instead of "The Tempest," which they seem to be set on seeing. Guess I'll just have to heckle Prospero.

PROSPERO: Do not smile at me that I boast her off, for thou shalt find she willl outstrip all praise and make it halt behind her.

ME: (loudly from the audience) Bullshit!

Archived comment by JP:
"Live like people did in those days"... Not that I want to be pedantic or anything, but; well, okay, I do want to be pedantic, but....

Okay, I'll let the Onion do the talking to save you from the bitter, boring wrath of a wronged historian (link above) :)

Archived comment by Eve:
Warning: long tangent ahead.
(Hey, would threaded comments be cool?)

Matt -- Faire is a reference to Renaissance Faires. Though there certainly are other types like gold rush faire, dickens faire, viking faires (and for the longest time I thought Southern Faire was Civil War, but it's just So Cal,) renaissance is the most popular time period.

Anyway, they're usually held in parks or forests, and it's kind of like a time travel festival; for a day, you can live like they did in that time period. People dress in costume, there are guilds of actors paid to play parts from washerwomen to puritans to royalty, there are plays, dancing, jousting, etc.

Some people get _really_ into them, and wind up getting married there, or talking with their english accent in everyday life. I never got seriously into it (by my definition, which is owning your own bodice,) but I had friends who were actors there, and I liked to visit every year.
Until, of course, they bulldozed the faire site, where a virgin oak forest and wetlands once were.

The mysterious "Black Point," is the beautiful location in Marin where it used to be, and where some condos and a golf course are now.

Not that I'm bitter. :-)

Speaking of fond faire memories though, has anyone else seen Sound and Fury's, "Testaclese and the Sack of Rome?" It's an "Fakesperian" tragedy, and quite possibly the funniest piece of theatre I have ever seen. Ever.

Archived comment by Matt:
dfresh; Go with your gut: Collinses.

So really, what the hell's Black Point?

Archived comment by dfresh:
Eve, I was pretty excited at first at my new job because people kept paging "Tom Collins to the lobby" or "Tom Collins to first floor conference room." I was hoping there was a person just wandering around, handing out Tom Collinses (Collini? Collinsssss? Collinez? Darn, where are those English majors when you need them?) But, alas, it was just a guy named Tom Collins. Back to just drinking vodka out of my water glass.

Archived comment by Marv:
Matt:

You're a rebel.

Archived comment by Matt:
Site Goddess,
No points on the faire boy guess. I'm just broad in my thinking and my drinking. I apologize for not knowing what Black Point is.

I don't even try to post "on topic" anymore. Renegade or liberated? You people make the call.

Archived comment by Jon:
After shoveling a foot of snow out of my driveway this morning, at 5:30 AM, I envy you...

Archived comment by Bryan:
Eve,
It was 75 degrees in Berkeley?!?! Man..I wish I could nove out there...(if ppl there weren't so nutty(not an indictment of anyone on this site)and the power shortage)

Archived comment by Eve:
It was about 75 degrees in downtown Berkeley yesterday afternoon, that's summer enough for me. :-)

Archived comment by Bryan:
Eve,
Aren't Tom Collinses meant to be summer drinks?

Matt,
That's the reason Everclear is usually mixed with fruit juices ect. I can't imagine getting drunk on mead(or drinking it for that matter); it's way too sweet for my taste.

Speaking of Everclear...it's why I got drunk this weekend...Even after 6 beers and 3 shots of vodka I was doing reasonably well...then I got the bright idea to try the punch(next morning I found out it was spiked with Everclear) ...2 glasses later and and I fell down the steps of the Frat House as I was "walking" out. Made it back to my room ok...didn't puke or pass out and no bad hangover later that morning.

Archived comment by Jon:
Mmm, yes, I enjoyed the movies Shadowcat mentioned. I even enjoyed(guiltily, mind you) Simply Irresistable, even though I had only gone to see SMG in it.
Though, color me dark, I think Heathers and Rock and Roll High School are more entertaining. Any movie featuring the Ramones has got to be good.

I tried a "Twisted Tea" this weekend, on the assumption that it was as pleasing as hard cider/lemonade. Three words: don't try it. It's bland, and too dry.

Everclear I haven't tried yet. I think the closest I ever got was Goldschlager... though I might have had that beverage, which name escapes me, which is rumored to have an European version with an opium additive. (It's German, too.) I had the US version.

Archived comment by Eve:
Matt --
First you say "huzzah," on the common-law thread (84 posts and going...) and now you mention mead...
I'm beginning to suspect you're a faire boy. Black Point?

Archived comment by Matt:
You're missing out, Site Goddess. My first time drunk was Everclear (and orange juice). I think I may have actually had mild hallucinations. Not as good as getting drunk on mead, but close.
I must caution, however, that shooting Everclear is a lot like drinking a mixute of equal parts rubbing alcohol and gasoline.

Archived comment by Eve:
Bryan --
Please, Everclear? Never touch the stuff, I'm not a punch kind of girl. :-) I was drinking Tom Collinses. (The plural of that looks really messed up. Um, gin and sweet and sour mix, and tonic. Good stuff.)

Archived comment by NinjaRap:
Oopsie. You already knew that.

Oh well. Let's make fun of "She's All 10 Things That Drive Me Crazy."

Archived comment by NinjaRap:
I feel it's my sworn duty to point out that the characters in Simply Irresistable are NOT in high school... they're actually out in the world already.

Archived comment by Bryan:
So you made the link when you were trashed huh? Not a bad attempt...too much Everclear-laced punch eh?

Archived comment by Eve:
Regarding Terry's comment about "Simplemente Irresistible..."

Uhhhh... Umm... *sheepish look*
I think there should be a breathalyzer test on my login to this site. :-)

Kids, this is what happens when you:
1.) Give into peer pressure from your friends about how wrong it was to dis American Pie
2.) Decide to rectify the situation that instant.
3.) Party with people who have laptops handy, and
3.) Attempt to think of a crappy teeneybopper movie while drunk well after 3am.

Frankly, I was so damn amazed that I could write html under those conditions that I didn't bother noticing that I hadn't seen the movie, I don't think it's about high school, and wasn't in English.
But, er, I think I'm going to leave it, 'cause it amuses me.

Archived comment by Terry:
Uh, Eve?
How did the link from the word movies to American Pie become a link to the spanish page for some Buffy movie?
Just curious. ;)

Archived comment by sarah:
yeah, that was a really good movie. i made my younger sister see it with me, and she enjoyed it. she hates cheerleading, after doing it a few years ago for pee wee football. anyway, it's really good.

Archived comment by Shadowcat:
Mike, I've seen "Save the Last Dance" and I really liked it. Of course, you have to keep in mind that I'm biased towards movies with good dancing in them. But I did see it with my husband, and he enjoyed it too, although I highly doubt he would have gone to see it without me ... unlike Bring It On, which he actually /wanted/ to see! I'm also a fan of Julia Stiles, and she's very good in this movie, although I liked 10 Things I Hate About You better. Overall, I would say that it's a good date movie, and I think you would like it.

As far as the other movies that Eve listed go, I have /absolutely/ no desire to see She's All That, and the only three that I have seen are Clueless, American Pie, and Never Been Kissed. I thought Clueless was mindlessly funny, American Pie was hysterically funny (laughed my ass off), and Never Been Kissed was painfully funny. In other words, I liked all three of them, but I'm not very highbrow in my movie tastes. Heck, I even went to see Dude, Where's My Car and laughed my ass off there, too. ;-)

Archived comment by MikeOC:
speaking of highschool movies....

I'm sure some of you have seen "Save the Last Dance." Can someone tell me if it would be a good date movie? I'm dying to know as Julia Stiles is one of my favorite female leads, and I need a good excuse to go see it.

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Archived comment by Matt:
American Pie was funny as crap. The other two you linked, SG, simply were crap. How do I know? Why have I seen them? Because I have a 17 year-old sister, whom I visit at Christmas, and sometimes she gets control of the TV.
Anyway, loved American Pie. It represented, in more ways than I care to share, my high school experience, amplified. Or something. Funny to think back on, as I slowly approach my 10-year reunion in 2004.

Archived comment by Kait:
Thank you for making reference to But I'm a Cheerleader!!!! That is a fan-tab-u-lous movie...

"Step 1: Admitting you're a homosexual."

Archived comment by Eve:
Yeah, something I always try to do is not take myself so seriously that I can't laugh at myself, or see a silly movie every now and then.
The thing that makes most teen-targeted movies seem ridiculous is that they're sappy and you're supposed to be touched; this one shows kids being sappy and you're supposed to laugh at them. The makers of the movie seemed to be having fun with it, and the whole thing was tongue in cheeck without being campy, either.
Cute girls, a VERY cute guy, one borderline brilliant scene (if you've seen the movie, the one in the restroom, talking "about a woman who was in this situation before,"... nearly made me spit icee on the guy sitting in front of me,) the whole thing was entertaining and good fun.
(Wow, was that the world's first run-on sentence fragment paragraph? Bring on the militant grammarians.)

Though the filmmakers apparently weren't on target with their quoting cheerleading regulations. :-)

Archived comment by A1phab3t:
Yeah, I liked it too. I'd heard they cut down the vulgarity and stuff to get the PG-13 rating, and I actually think that worked in their favor. Like the scene where the girl says "freaking" two or three times when she was obviously saying a, um, different word. That it was kept so sugary sweet and clean, except for a couple characters whose characters required a little dirtier vocabulary, actually made the movie that much more sarcastic and in my opinion, that much funnier.

And it had cute girls in it. Not as cute as "Bring It On" but pretty darn cute. In the theater with us at "Bring It On" there must have been 50 kids who are REALLY INTO the whole cheer competition thing. They were laughing and clapping and booing and going "yeah!" It was fun to get swept up in all that.

So bring on more satirical cheerleader movies! Woohoo!