Archived comment by triticale:
The Rocky Horror Christmas Carol is far less disturbing than a threeway with Righard Simmons and Rodney Dangerfield. Maybe that should have been _or_ instead.

Archived comment by Shadowcat:
Ah ha! I didn't realize that if you put an address in the URL box, it links it to your name. Now I feel slightly stupid. ;-)

Thanks for the info, Mike!

Archived comment by Mike:
Oh, this site makes it easy. Just paste the link's address in the "URL:" section of the "Add Comment" box. You know, between the email box and the comment box. When html is working, there's also a way to put links directly into your comment, but I never got to try it.
And if it makes you feel better, I was mystified when I first came here and saw someone else (The Laughing God, I think) do it for the first time.

Archived comment by Shadowcat:
Mike, you are my Comment Guru! I must shamefully admit that I didn't put up a link because:

a) it didn't even occur to me to search the web and see if the rules were out there (*blush*), and
b) I don't know how to create a link like that.

I grovel humbly at your feet, oh Master of Web Searches! ;-)

-- Shadowcat

PS - By the way, the site you linked was great, but rules #9 and #10 were my favorites and they're not there. I found a site with all 10 rules, but I'll just have to paste the address here until someone teaches me how to create a link. =^) http://www.webabout.com/jokes/daterules.htm

Archived comment by Mike:
Geez, Arlene, talk about unreachable standards! So women are going for legs shaped like a man's? Ewww, get that association out of my head! And I still say that chronic knee, ankle, and foot pain is a steep price to pay for accentuation.

Hey, Shadowcat, why not just do like the rest of us and slap up a link? Here it is! There was a "10 Rule" version, too, but that one was less common; this is the best-looking page I found.

Archived comment by Arlene:
The reason for high heels is that is accentuates a woman's leg & makes her calves look shapelier. On a side note, if you are ever in a department store & happen to notice the 'leg dummies' (the legs only mannikins used to show hose), just remember that they use male models for those mannikins. Women's legs aren't shapely enough.

Archived comment by Shadowcat:
Seleta, I've read those rules, and I agree, they're *hysterical*. Marv, if you haven't read them, you have to let one of us send them to you. I would post them here, but they're a little long for that. If anyone wants to see them, let me know, and I can e-mail them to you. :-)

Archived comment by seleta:
M & M (that's Mike and Marv),

I think you are on to something...a "Rocky Horror Christmas Carol" has quite a ring to it...

Marv, now that you are a Dad, have you read that thing about "rules for dating my daughter?"...I laughed so hard that tears were rolling and my daughters thought something was wrong!!!

It's so very nice to have men take up for our "virtue" (haha) for a change!!! I'm so tired of trying to wear this shiny armor myself!!!

Archived comment by Joe Odom's Pal:
Returning to the original quote:
In Morocco, *Any* women seen out after dark should be assumed to be a professional. I didn't believe it at first (when I read the travel-guide) but it turned out to be quite accurate, especially in the larger cities.

Archived comment by Mike:
TMI

Archived comment by Marv:
I am the one walking erect

Archived comment by Mike:
If I had to hear Bob Cratchit sing the "Touch-a Touch-a Touch Me" song, I would blow chunks.
So, the only males allowed in your house are you and the dog, eh, Marv? There's not any kind of symbolism behind that, is there? Hmmm...

Archived comment by Marv:
Damn it, Janet

It's the Rocky Horror Christmas Carol!!!

Archived comment by JP:
Would you like to be wearing high heels? As I recall, Marley came fully equipped with chains, so it shouldn't take too much artistic license to outfit him with heels, fish-nets, whips and handcuffs, too....

Archived comment by Marv:
In this vision will I be wearing high heels??

Archived comment by Mike:
I am now envisioning a ghostly form of Marv, pantyhose wrapped around him like chains, hovering over TarMan's bed, begging him to change his ways before it's too late. (spooky voice) "Tonight you will be visited by three stereotypes..."

Archived comment by Marv:
I must admit in my younger days I was somewhat of a trouserhound(that's old guy talk for dirtbag), but now I have a wife that just graduated from a women's college and three daughters(one is 17). Talk about Karma! I am being visited by all my past transgressions on the fairer sex! Try getting to work in the AM with 4 females and one bathroom! My only hope is that I can serve as a warning to young men like T-man to change his misogynistic attitude or he might suffer my fate. (My god, I feel like Jacob Marley)

Fatherhood has a way of changing your perspectives.

Thank God the dog is male. He and I go outside and write our names in the snow just to raise the level of testosterone in my house.

Archived comment by Mike:
Hm. Yeah, you're right. Although I'm afraid that the sentiment is *very* widespread. Take my older brothers, for instance. Each of them has a rather demeaning perspective on women, and each of them has a daughter, upon whom they dote. Sometimes, when I'm in a particularly evil mood, I will playfully point out to them that someday some guy will approach their children with much the same attitude that they now hold towards other women. Then I run for cover as they get righteously indignant. The thought of anybody treating their precious little girls that way!... (sigh) I guess there are just a lot of men who are bound to think that way-- until they get personally invested in the subject, at which point karma rears its ugly head...
But yeah, I agree with you. Outside of providing a good example, though (and having that example blithely ignored by both men *and* women), there doesn't seem to be much to be effectively done about the whole deal.
And now, back to waiting for the flames.

Archived comment by Marv:
Mike:

Thank you for foregoing comment on "walking erect" I was hesitant about using it knowing that it could be used as fodder for a counterattack. (Good thing I didn't say "Homo Erectus" considering your observation about Tarman's circle of friends, you could have had a field day with that one)

I am afraid I have to disagree with you. It is true that T-man included men in his comment but that is like saying "I am not a racist, some of by best friends are black."

I just thought that his comment was demeaning to women.

Archived comment by Mike:
(consciously not addressing the "walk erect" comment)
I understand where you're coming from, Marv, but please try to examine TarMan's comment from his point of view. After all, he did say that the same things hold true for _men_, too. What he did say was no more controversial than that damn tacky movie "Indecent Proposal," and people managed to take *that* in without rioting in the streets. Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, money *does* color our perspectives in pretty much all areas of life, up to and including love. Kind of a sick thing to say _out loud_, but I've heard worse. On *this* website. From *me*.
What I found most interesting about the comment was the subtext. "Don't know how" you got on the subject, eh, TarMan? Maybe one of your "buds" saw his chance to direct the conversation that way; asking a serious question under the guise of rhetoric, maybe? If anyone from the original conversation ever off-handedly comments about how he just *happens* to have some extra cash, and doesn't know how to spend it, you might want to do some quick thinking.

"I could do a _lot_ of things if I had some money."

And hey, Montygirl, I think you just stumbled onto the plot of "Indecent Proposal II." They would probably get someone like George Clooney, though, instead of Richard Simmons or Rodney Dangerfield; that way, the main character, alongside with the main dilemma, would also have to question his own motives: is he doing this strictly for the money, or...

Um, I'm starting to unnerve *myself* here. Time to change the subject.

There's a teacher here who does two things constantly: 1. wears high heels and 2. complains about her foot, ankle, and knee problems. Bearing in mind that I am not trying to be sexist or anything, I really want to ask now: why the hell do women *wear* such uncomfortable things? I don't think it's for the benefit of men-- I myself usually don't even *look* at a woman's shoes. It's CERTAINLY not for comfort. I just can't figure it out. For me, seeing a woman wearing high heels is kinda like seeing a heroin addict: you've just gotta wonder why the hell anyone would even get started down that road, knowing where it tends to lead....

(sigh) Let the flaming begin. }:^O {;^\

Archived comment by Marv:
Tarman:

You must spend a fortune on Band-Aids, what with your knuckles bleeding from being dragged on the ground while you walk.

"ALL woman are for hire" !?!?? .. What is up with that??!!

Does that include your mother and/or your sister??
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't we in the 21st century.

It's no wonder that you have to ply another person with alcohol in order to have a relationship!!

You and your buds should learn how to walk erect.

Archived comment by Matt:
Boy do I have egg on my face. Here I go with a better-than-average rant, only to re-read the quote and realize I read it wrong. I thought it said, "It's nice not to assume..." Oops.

Archived comment by Matt:
Either her boyfriend comes from, or she herself has spent a great deal of time in, a rural area of the country. I just came back from three weeks in the sticks of Oregon, and ohmigod. The sheer provincialism of the people is terrifying. The profundity of the xenophobia is something I've promised myself I will never make for myself.
Besides, I'm no shoe expert, but aren't 3-inch heels for women kind of, um, normal? Widely accepted, even? She must have been among troglodytes.

Archived comment by Montygirl:
Well, until Mike's comment, I was going to tell you that I just brought out the ruler to measure the height of my shoes: 4 inches. But, since they're the casual boot sorta-thing, I wouldn't count them as 'heels', so, I'm not in uniform. (thank goodness.)

TarMan, I don't know anyone who's ever had to pay a guy to have sex with them. I have never even had to get them drunk. But, then again, I'm a girl. So, in your scenario, would you get to pick the guy with whom you'd have sex? And would the guy's physical appearance/sexual orientation make the dollar amount/required liquor consumption go up? (E.g., would you charge/drink more to sleep with Richard Simmons and Rodney Dangerfield than you would for George Clooney or one of your buds?)

Just morbidly curious. :^)

Archived comment by Mike:
Well, you know what they say: "If you don't want to be mistaken for a professional, don't wear the uniform."

Archived comment by Mark:
So....And how much money would that be? And how good looking are you? I'm playing....

Archived comment by TarMan:
ALL women are for hire. Just that no one could afford most of them. And if you get them drunk, you can probably get it for free. Same goes for men. Had a big discussion one day with my buds, don't know how we got on the subject, but we were ALL willing to "be" with a man for the right price (and enough alcohol).