6 March 2004
Submitted by eve on Sat, 03/06/2004 - 10:20pm. Bizarre
"And there were actually parents livid with me for teaching their children that there was more than one way to think about women."
"To think about women like Marie Curie, or...?"
"Marie Curie or Pam Anderson. All the same. Doesn't matter."
--Two women talking in line at Caribou Coffee
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I don't think that she is com
Posted by RaeMillington on Wed, 04/14/2004 - 9:09am.
I don't think that she is comparing the two women, just perhaps trying to teach kids that there is more than one way of looking at every choice that every woman makes... But I could be wrong.
The real problem
Posted by Mike on Thu, 04/01/2004 - 7:32am.
is that so many people don't think about women in just one way. They have low opinions about the great majority of the women in the world, but they'll make exceptions for the few that they're close to for one reason or another-- mothers, friends, daughters, sisters maybe-- and then keep up that artificial separation as if millions of other men aren't making the same distinction only with your loved ones in the "other" category. Basically, they dole out the misogyny but then turn around and make with the "oh no not my precious baby" attitude later, as if all the pissing in the pool they've done over the years couldn't possibly come back to affect them personally.

(*shrug*) People are dumb.
Random tangent
Posted by daen on Fri, 03/12/2004 - 3:42pm.
Can't get the link to work, so I'm afraid you'll have to cut and paste.
Worth it, though, IMO.

Posted by marinerd on Wed, 03/10/2004 - 8:21am.
I'm totally with woman #1. Pam and Marie's similarities are much more important than their differences. (Marie was never in her own TV show, for instance.) I wouldn't like to be judged solely on my brains any more than on any particular body part. I actually would rather not be judged at all.

Amnesty International is focusing on treatment of women this year, stating that 1 in 3 women worldwide will be or has been the victim of violence or abuse. They're a great organization.

Too bad about the Marie Curie porn thing, though. I'm so ashamed that I laughed.
It's Women's History Month apparently.
Posted by Mike on Tue, 03/09/2004 - 2:55pm.
Who knew? Perhaps they need to change tactics?

PS: you should all be thankful that I didn't take the low road in conflating Marie Curie with Pam Anderson by linking to some Marie Curie porn. No, really.
My one cent worth...
Posted by JLSeagull on Tue, 03/09/2004 - 9:41pm.
Regarding the trading cards, the second-runner up will get her own trading card!? That doesn't really speak well for the prestige of the set does it? Not surprised, though, that the story came out of Dallas. When I was living there, they opened a women's history museum. Unfortunately, the reaction most of the people I know that went was that they were previously under the impression that more women had made more such-related contributions to society. Even the news report I saw, covered by a woman reporter, had an aire of disappointment as she read from the names included on some sort of Top 100/Wall of Fame list. On the other hand, a list of world's worst women would be drastically under-sized in comparison as well. It's the need for lists, and therefor playing cards, that might be the problem. Maybe a new approach to viewing everybody, not just women, is necessary...something beyond the idol-worshipping, fame-focused autonomocentric-agoraphilia we use now. Not that praise-hungry mob-mentality isn't good for some things....after all, when award shows win awards from their own award show doesn't everybody win?
In the spirit of award-giving...
Posted by Jon on Wed, 03/10/2004 - 8:11am.
I'm giving JLS a cool point for "Best Dramatic use of autonomocentric-agoraphilia in a sentence".
**kisses Halle Berry**
Posted by JLSeagull on Wed, 03/10/2004 - 8:35pm.
It was just nice being nominated, but it's even nicer to be recognized by all of the people on whom my self-worth is so blindly based....do I get my own trading card yet?
Now Starring...
Posted by Social Neanderthal on Tue, 03/09/2004 - 2:33pm.
In the Showtime Movie of the Week...Pam Anderson as Madame Curie, with a special guest appearance by Johnny Depp as Louis Pasteur.
I'm guessing
Posted by hypoxic on Tue, 03/09/2004 - 9:06am.
ultra-liberal and upset that women could be viewed as sex objects.

I'm not saying good or bad just that they can be viewed as such.
Posted by paul on Mon, 03/08/2004 - 10:30pm.
...Nope. I can't make sense out of that. Were it in an ultraconservative area of the country, or maybe some secluded Deliverance-style backwood, I could see it. But otherwise... nope. All I can see that Pam Anderson and Marie Curie have in common is basic anatomy.

Makes me wonder what the parents were expecting. Maybe that Pam should be held in the same reverence as Marie?...
Posted by eve on Wed, 03/10/2004 - 9:11pm.
I *am* on the road for work. And by comparison, anywhere but Berkeley is ultra-conservative. Also, my Hertz car nav-system recently led us to what my two co-workers in the car called 2050 Axe Murderer Lane. Though that's not as bad as 2050 Deliverance Lane.

Hey, Dad, dear, stop worrying. No, really. We were trying to get to pizza.
Posted by paul on Thu, 03/11/2004 - 10:21am.
I think that perhaps a better way of putting it is that Berkley is ultraliberal. In fact, I'd say that it qualifies as being three sigma from the norm. But the womens' comments still puzzle me- if there are parents getting wildly upset over teachers showing that women can be things other than the traditional role, you must have been in a place that was about three sigma from the norm in the other direction.

(Sorry, I just realized I was using mathspeak. Three sigma means at the very outer edge of probability- it's a statistical thing. Something that is more than three standard deviations away from the norm has less than a 0.01% chance of happening. I'll stop the math lecture now.)
I don't know you, but you spe
Posted by That Weird Chick on Thu, 03/11/2004 - 9:15pm.
I don't know you, but you speak Mathie, so you're awesome :)
Posted by Apple on Thu, 03/11/2004 - 3:47pm.
Would that be Stratford??
I'm only worried...
Posted by ParU on Wed, 03/10/2004 - 10:33pm.
That you'll be going to a chain pizza place. You know how I am about pizza. Even on the road, there's no excuse for bad pizza.
It's Amino world without Chemists
Didn't know
Posted by Apple on Tue, 03/09/2004 - 8:08am.
Marie Curie had implants??

Posted by ParU on Tue, 03/09/2004 - 11:29am.
And they glowed too!
It's Amino world without Chemists
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