16 December 2003
Submitted by eve on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 5:45am. Beautiful
"Does 'it's too summery' mean you'll be cold in it? The party's indoors..."
"No, that's not it. It's just a summery fabric."
"Oh, so what you're saying is that if you go to a party in December in flowery cotton you'll be considered a big dork?"
"It's just too summery."
--A guy and a girl examining dresses at the BCBG outlet
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Snow day
Posted by marinerd on Tue, 01/06/2004 - 11:40am.
It's snowing! We get all excited up here when it snows, since it doesn't do it every year. Unfortunately, I still have to go to work, since I live next door and there's no excuse not to. But I'm pretty much alone. Everyone else is "working at home". Ha! But it's as pretty as it can be.

It's supposed to warm up later and it'll be flooding by Friday. Ah well...
Posted by daen on Mon, 01/05/2004 - 8:40am.
-30C today. (-22F for the Celsius-impaired).

I wouldn't mind so much - I still walked to work and all - if the office space were properly heated. It's not, and I'm wearing the boots, windpants, gloves, scarf, extra sweater, and hat as I type.

Not so cold
Posted by Cebu on Mon, 01/05/2004 - 12:07pm.
Wow, what different worlds we live in. It's 80F here today, which is not what I like for JANUARY. Geez.
Winter convert
Posted by Inuki on Mon, 01/05/2004 - 1:21pm.
My boyfriend Mage is from Texas, and has been going to RIT for three years now. He went home for Christmas break and promptly sent me an email saying "It's too hot here! Let me back up to Rochester where it's nice and cold and snowy!" I laughed.
Posted by paul on Mon, 01/05/2004 - 12:11pm.
60s and raining here, but yesterday I had the tops off of my car and was driving around in a polo shirt...

So things are getting a little cold up there in the 51st state?...

*ducking and running*
Posted by daen on Mon, 01/05/2004 - 1:02pm.
"Ich werde Ihnen schaden muessen."
That's German for "I'm going to have to hurt you."
Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall.....
Posted by DoughPoet on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 3:04pm.
.....Doc Martens are the answer to all your shoe crises.

Walk in 'em, preach in 'em....the lot.

Possibly not the best with summer frocks,.......

Merry Christmas everyone.
Oh, I beg to differ.
Posted by ChristyMC on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 3:38pm.
Knee-high Doc boots with a leedle leedle frilly dress is pretty fabulous in my book. I love dressing up like Courtney Love circa 1995 sometimes. And in Seattle, you can still get away with it. :)
Alright, fair enough! I can g
Posted by DoughPoet on Sat, 12/20/2003 - 2:41pm.
Alright, fair enough! I can go with that.

I think it's just that personally, I have not found them to be a good combination because when preaching........churches are invariably freezing, so I wear the boots to stop my feet from going numb and the trousers to cover up the tights/thermals I'm wearing underneath!

I'm glad you can still get away with it somewhere, even if it's not here.
Probability is the desparate attempt of chaos to become stable.
Holiday cheer
Posted by marinerd on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 2:38pm.
Happy Friday! I guess I'll be the only person on earth working next week (just the first 3 days). Then I'll be on vacation the following week. Can't wait! And since it's Friday, here's a song (for best results, picture Brenda Lee singing it--if you don't know who she is, find out):

Rocking around the Christmas tree
at the Christmas party hop
Mistletoe hung where you can see
every couple tries to stop

Rocking around the Christmas tree,
let the Christmas spirit ring
Later we'll have some pumpkin pie
and we'll do some caroling.

You will get a sentimental
feeling when you hear
Voices singing let's be jolly,
deck the halls with boughs of holly

Rocking around the Christmas tree,
have a happy holiday
Everyone dancing merrily
in the new old-fashioned way.

Posted by Intelligirly on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 1:33pm.
This isn't a Friday song, but it's extrEEEmely amusing to me.

At the lumberyard in Des Moines this weekend, (no, I don't know if there's more than one), they're having a special event. Bring an unwrapped toy and get free admission to a strip show.

They're calling it "Toys for Ta-ta's".

Over the Rhine is in a Jon Favreau film!
Yes, but...
Posted by umop apisdn on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 3:29pm.
Will the lingerie be "summery" or "wintery"?

A precariously balanced mixture of myopic optimism and rampant paranoia.
Envious again
Posted by peegee on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 1:49pm.
See, and all I have to settle for is a guy trying to sell me cocaine on my way home. I'm sure I could round up plenty of toys, so how much is a ticket from Denmark to Des Moines?
You asked...
Posted by ParU on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 2:44pm.
it's $853 dollars from Copenhagen to Des Moines, round trip. Maybe Igirly could put you up while you're there.
I love it
Posted by Saint on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 1:40pm.
Now that's a great way to get people involved in the community. :D
Friday Songs... Somewhat Christmasy (It is SO a word!)
Posted by umrguy on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 1:17pm.
This next song we're going to dedicate to a great American
organization. Tonight I'd like to dedicate this to our boys
in the FBI.

Well, wait a minute. It's hard to be an FBI man. I mean, first
of all, being an FBI man, you have to be over 40 years old.
And the reason is that it takes at least 25 years with the
organization to be that much of a bastard. It's true. You just
can't join, you know. It needs an atmosphere where your
natural bastardness can grow and develop and take a
meaningful shape in today's complex society.

But that's not why I want to dedicate the song to the FBI. I
mean, the job that they have to do is a drag. I mean, they have
to follow people around, you know. That's part of their job.
Follow me around.

I'm out on the highway and I'm drivin' down the road and I
run out of gasoline. I pull over to the side of the road. They
gotta pull over too - make believe that they ran out, you

I go to get some gasoline. They have to figure out whether
they should stick with the car or follow me. Suppose I don't
come back and they're stayin' with the car.

Or if I fly on the airplanes, I could fly half fare because I'm 12
to 22. And they gotta pay the full fare. But the thing is that
when you pay the full fare, you have to get on the airplane
first, so that they know how many seats are left over for the
half fare kids. Right? And sometimes there aren't any seats
left over, and sometimes there are, but that doesn't mean that
you have to go.

Suppose that he gets on and fills up the last seat, so you can't
get on. Then he gets off then you can get on. What's he gonna

Well, it's a drag for him. But that's not why I want to dedicate
the song to the FBI.

During these hard days and hard weeks, everybody always
has it bad once in a while. You know, you have a bad time of
it, and you always have a friend who says "Hey man, you
ain't got it that bad. Look at that guy." And you at that
guy, and he's got it worse than you. And it makes you feel
better that there's somebody that's got it worse than you.

But think of the last guy. For one minute, think of the last
guy. Nobody's got it worse than that guy. Nobody in the
whole world. That guy...he's so alone in the world that he
doesn't even have a street to lay in for a truck to run him over.
He's out there with nothin'. Nothin's happenin' for that cat.

And all that he has to do to create a little excitement in his
own life is to bum a dime from somewhere, call up the FBI.
Say "FBl?", they say "Yes", say "I dig Uncle Ho and Chair-
man Mao and their friends are comin' over for dinner" (click)
Hang up the phone.

And within two minutes, and not two minutes from when he
hangs up the phone, but two minutes from when he first put
the dime in, they got 30,000 feet of tape rollin'; files on tape;
pictures, movies, dramas, actions on tape. But then they send
out a half a million people all over the entire world, the globe,
they find out all they can about this guy.

'Cause there's a number of questions involved in this guy. I
mean, if he was the last guy in the world, how'd he get a dime
to call the FBI? There are plenty of people that aren't the last
guys that can't get dimes. He comes along and he gets a dime.

I mean, if he had to bum a dime to call the FBI, how was he
gonna serve dinner for all of those people? How could the
last guy make dinner for all those people. And if he could
make dinner, and was gonna make dinner, then why did he
call the FBI?

And they find out all of those questions within two minutes. And
that's a great thing about America. I mean, this is the only
country in the world...I mean, well, it's not the only country
in the world that could find stuff out in two minutes, but it's
the only country in the world that would take two minutes
for that guy.

Other countries would say "Hey, he's the last guy...screw
him", you know? But in America, there is no discrimination,
and there is no hypocrisy, 'cause they'll get anybody. And that's
a wonderful thing about America.

And that's why tonight I'd like to dedicate it to every FBI
man in the audience. I know you can't say nothin', you know,
you can't get up and say "Hi!" cause then everybody knows
that you're an FBI man and that's a drag for you and your

They're not really your friends, are they? I mean, so you can't
get up and say nothin' 'cause other wise, you gotta get sent
back to the factory and that's a drag for you and it's an
expense for the government, and that's a drag for you.

We're gonna sing you this Christmas carol. It's for all you
bastards out there in the audience tonight. It's called "The
Pause of Mr. Claus".

Why do you sit there so strange?
Is it because you are beautiful?
You must think you are deranged
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

You must think Santa Claus weird
He has long hair and a beard
Giving his presents for free
Why do police guys mess with peace guys?

Let's get Santa Claus 'cause;
Santa Claus has a red suit
He's a communist
And a beard, and long hair
Must be a pacifist
What's in the pipe that he's smoking?

Mister Claus sneaks in your house at night.
He must be a dope fiend, to put you up tight
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

-There's someone in my head, but it's not me.-
This is Berkeley we're talking about, right?
Posted by Mike on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 12:47pm.
Summer and winter are different... how, again?
Posted by ParU on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 1:27pm.
OK, California seasons for those Auslanders...

We've got Summer and Not-summer. We've got Monsoon season, followed by mudslide season. We've got fire season (just ended), and every day is Earthquake season. And then, depending on who's on trial, we've got riot season (coming up with Michael Jackson's trial, no doubt).

Dress for women....
Posted by Social Neanderthal on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 5:55am.
I was thinking about making that "women dress for other women, but undress for men" comment, but I won't.

And if 'summery' doesn't come up in my Microsquish Word thesarus, it isn't a word.

Also, I'd like to publicly thank my wonderful wife for not asking me to go with her to shop for dresses. I do offer to go with her to help pick out, shall we say, undergarments, but she rarely accepts that kind offer.
Posted by Monk on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 8:43am.
Breasts also aren't in the thesaurus. However....thesaurus is. Free The Hamsters
Posted by Cebu on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 8:04am.
Maybe your thesaurus is broken. It's in the dictionary. It's a word. :P

I hate Elmo.
News Flash
Posted by marinerd on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 3:55pm.
There are plenty of women around who don't really care about fashion, and who aren't in competition with or showing off for other women. Really.

(I have one pair of shoes, which I'm wearing right now [they frown on us going barefoot in the office]. The way I pick out my shoes is this: the ones I have are worn out, and the new ones are comfortable.)

I know I'm not the only woman like this. Look around, there are plenty. Of course I try to look as nice as possible, but that means dressing so that I think I look okay, not how someone else (male or female) might think I look.
Me too - I have a pair of wat
Posted by Inuki on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 5:07pm.
Me too - I have a pair of waterproofed hiking boots that are about 6 years old, a pair of slip-on sneakers, and a pair of sandals that I invariably can't find. The boots are necessary for winter, and the sneakers are for the rest of the time.

As for everything else - I pick clothes based on how comfy they are, if they suit the temperatures of where I plan to be, and if I like the picture on the T-shirt. I usually try not to have horribly clashing colors, but since most of my wardrobe is blue, black, grey, or tan, it's usually not a problem. I do, however, distinguish between "school clothes" and "weekend clothes," the latter being those that are a little too small/too big, old and ratty-looking/holey, or that I just plain don't really like. Things migrate slowly from one group to the other, but I refuse to give up some T-shirts because I love them so much - like my current favorite, washed so often to be almost translucent, with a spatter of black paint down the back and purple paint spots on the front. It's the most comfortable shirt I own, and I refuse to stop wearing it - but I usually wear it under a sweatshirt, or on days when I don't have classes.

Yeah. Looking "presentable" is different from spending hours on your hair, makeup, clothes, shoes, etc, etc. And I only care about looking presentable if I plan to leave my room/the house, or be seen by people other than my roommate/family. And I know there's other people who think the same way - I see them all the time in class.

(Excuse the excessive comment - I'm done with classes for the calendar year, going home tomorrow, and planning to see friends over break. I'm a little excited.)
Shoe me
Posted by Cebu on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 8:10am.
I actually have a thing for shoes lately, but not fancy dress shoes. I don't have places to wear fancy shoes. No, I'm really into pink sneakers and fun & chunky mary janes. Doc's that I've wanted for YEARS but could neither find nor afford anyway until now. I don't care if they're in style, they make me happy. My favorite foot wear now is my Teva Mush flip flops. Most comfortable thing I own. Luckily it doesn't get too, too cold here so I can get away with wearing them, at least for a few minutes outside. Lord knows flip flops aren't sexy, but comfort is all I care about sometimes.

I hate Elmo.
Posted by umop apisdn on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 7:22pm.
Extremes either way are A Bad Thing(tm). I was with a girl who was very "practical" about how she dressed. But even I draw the line at white sneakers, black jeans and a long-sleeve T at the symphony....

A precariously balanced mixture of myopic optimism and rampant paranoia.
Posted by steff on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 6:59am.
umop, your sig is just lovely. i cried, i did. *grin*
Why thank you.
Posted by umop apisdn on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 9:51am.
Years ago, when I first started using a sig to post messages to the 'net, it was 'If you look at it right, the glass is a teeny tiny, bit MORE than half full'.

It has evolved over time. heh heh heh.

A precariously balanced mixture of myopic optimism and rampant paranoia.
I liked their
Posted by hypoxic on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 8:36am.
name, upside down, very clever.
Posted by umop apisdn on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 10:18am.
It works better in some fonts than others. It kind of relies on the 'a' having the leading stroke over it, so it doesn't look quite right in san serif fonts. And some message boards insist on capitalizing the 'u' in umop, which of course ruins the effect entirely.

Ah well. I don't think an improperly formatted, upside down 'e' is going to bring on the apocalypse. And if it does, I'll come back and erase this message so that nobody knows it was all my fault.

You all, of course, are sworn to secrecy.
A precariously balanced mixture of myopic optimism and rampant paranoia.
I need a vacation!
Posted by miss liss on Fri, 12/19/2003 - 11:14am.
Oh my gosh! I didn't even notice the sig! Very clever it is! I really need a vacation. 4 hours and 17 minutes till I get a week off (not that I'm counting!)

Happy Holidays everyone!
Whip it
Posted by Monk on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 8:56am.
lucky for me - leather is year-round. But then again, I think free-range hamsters hiding under a cashmere sweater are the schnizzles.
Is that the
Posted by ParU on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 1:57pm.
famous (or infamous) Monk? Who let him back onto IP? *g*
You will never catch me in an
Posted by Cebu on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 2:05pm.
You will never catch me in any stiletto heals. I'd twist both ankles and fall over. No that wouldn't be funny.

Also, summery is a word:
Of, intended for, or suggesting summer. Of or pertaining to summer; like summer; as, a summery day.
I dunno...
Posted by paul on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 2:14pm.
I saw a woman the other day in shoes that could have passed for stilettos from the side, but turned out to be wide and very thin. I would imagine them to be reasonably stable.

Just a thought for ya, Cube.
I tend to have trouble in eve
Posted by Cebu on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 2:30pm.
i tend to have trouble in even short and/or wide heels. ah hell i can fall over in flats.

i still don't like stiletto's. they look very uncomfortable. not for me.
Men don't care about shoes?
Posted by daen on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 1:30pm.
All I'm going to say is that I've gotten some very favourable reactions to strappy black stiletto heels.
Posted by tim on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 5:39am.
You don't know the half of it daenykins.
; )
--" The torture never stops"--
Big dorks
Posted by S_Kat on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 11:40am.
if he really wants to, he can wear the farmgirl dress he likes from last season & she can wear the slinky black/metallic/shiny dress she was hoping to find at BCBG... then everyone's happy, right? :'P
Making up words...
Posted by Social Neanderthal on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 11:34am.
Summery? This isn't even a word. Women complain about men not being good communicators and they're out there making words up and getting irritated when the guy doen't know what the heck she's talking about.

All he really wants to know is will he get fed at the party and what kind of beer will they be serving.

And if the young ladies out there want some insight into the male fashion sense, keep in mind my teenage son's fashion goal for the winter is to wear shorts to school every day. So far he he's making it, but I think he's cheating by driving himself to school and parking close to the door. Of course, we do live in Texas.
Fashion Sense...
Posted by ParU on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 11:38am.
Most males want to wear what's comfortable, which is why ties are going out. And, here's an eye opener ladies, we rarely care about shoes!
Runs and hides behind Paul
Posted by paul on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 1:45pm.
...ParU is right. I very rarely notice shoes, unless I see a woman in stiletto heels or CFM boots, or unless I'm taking them off of her feet. Shoes are not something that tend to catch my eye.

And I for one am glad that ties are going out. Soon the only people who will be wearing them will be lawyers and those spiky-haired guys in the ad agencies, and they'll only wear them to keep the foreskin down.

Posted by Intelligirly on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 2:52pm.
Okay, see, most of the time women buy and wear shoes for themselves and occasionally to show off the cuteness to other women. I don't care what guys think. The shoes are for Meeeee.

And oh, what a wonderful world a shoe store is!

Over the Rhine is in a Jon Favreau film!
If I'm not mistaken...
Posted by Normy17 on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 8:32pm.
Women typically dress for other women, not for men. They know we pretty much don't care what they wear. But hang out with the average female for a half a day and count how many comments she makes about what other women are wearing, or what their hair looks like, etc.
You're right
Posted by ParU on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 1:56pm.
Normy17 - and have a froot bat!

Eve even has a quote about that somewhere, that women dress for other women, while men only think...
Exception time
Posted by Jon on Thu, 12/18/2003 - 6:43am.
Maybe I've spent too much time in the theater, where what you wear on stage can say a lot about your character... but when a lady has nice shoes, I tend to compliment them.
My own fashion sense is limited at best, though.
"You can't wear white shoes a
Posted by Yuri on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 10:07am.
"You can't wear white shoes after Labor Day. Didn't your mother ever tell you that?"
Posted by Taragirl on Fri, 12/26/2003 - 7:30am.
for Winter White. You can wear winter white after Labor Day. Although it has been a few years since I have been up north. In the south, you can wear what you want when it is 80 degrees in January.

Snowflakes are just unassembled snowmen falling from the sky
Posted by paul on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 1:48pm.
Patty Hearst's finest moment.

I was glad to see that Kathleen Turner lost all that weight afterward, though.
Maybe all the girl is really saying is
Posted by Saint on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 9:39am.
"I don't really want to spend that much for this. And, you know, as much as I know you'd enjoy seeing me in a flowery cotton bikini, I don't really feel it's party-appropriate."

Sometimes, fashion rules are just a convenient way to politely tell a person, "No way in hell am I wearing that, you idiot."
Posted by hypoxic on Wed, 12/17/2003 - 9:15am.
is this like no light pants rule in winter? I hate fashion rules. If the weather permits it I think you should be able to wear it.
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